In the space of a few weeks I’ve had my material “ripped off” twice. One instance was OK by me, but one instance was not. The differences open up important questions at the forefront of the new rules involving content, sharing, social media, and copyrights.
Today, ideas spread quickly. Volumes of great information are shared through Webinars, e-books, and social media tools like Twitter, Facebook, and SlideShare. Tracing an idea, insight, or fact back to its original source can be challenging. This is an even bigger issue when these exchanges are occurring among marketing professionals, especially because creating and sharing content has become practically the go-to strategy for driving business and lead generations for many companies. Take creative professionals who make their living from their ideas and content, give them an incentive to share that content openly, and you have a near perfect environment for undue influence and sticky copyright issues.
Like me, I’m sure you have your sphere of influencers. I’ve been fortunate to surround myself with people much smarter than me to nourish my brain. Being influenced by others is a good thing and it’s the reason my peers and I have been sharing our thoughts through (in my case) 300+ columns like these, presentations, and countless conversations. So far, the benefits have far outweighed any dangers or concerns. But as I mentioned, recent events have got me pondering the best ways to manage my future content sharing strategies.
The first instance happened when a student of mine asked me what I thought of their brainstorming session for banner ad ideas. When I saw the list, I asked my student if they were aware of where these ideas came from – or what influenced their ideas. As soon as I asked, they were embarrassed because it was a collection of disjointed ideas grabbed from past and future presentations and concepts I had written about in past columns and had shared with them in conversations we’d had together.
My students felt as though they’d ripped me off and I assured them that they hadn’t. What they had done is something our brains do naturally as we take in, process, and assimilate ideas. I shared with them this fabulous video of Derren Brown and his use of “Subliminal Advertising” to influence the kind of logo and branding advertising execs would come up with for a business he was starting. By manipulating barely conscious cues he provided ad execs, he predicted precisely the kind of logo they came up with. As soon as my students watched the video, they understood how their assembly of my ideas was unconsciously done and felt better about the situation. In turn, I explained how flattered I was, as my goal for the last decade has been to inspire others by sharing my ideas.
Influence Gone Bad
The next instance was not as comfortable for either me or a friend who I “influenced.” Here’s what occurred: This friend shared a presentation on March 1 titled, “15 Secrets of High Converting Websites.” (Follow along and you’ll see why the presentation has since been removed.)
When I saw this presentation, I immediately asked my Twitter and Facebook friends: “What would you do if someone you thought was a friend ripped off one of your presentations without asking or attribution? http://ow.ly/1cOgi”
Here’s the backstory: In just two weeks, I’ll be presenting my “21 Secrets to Top Converting Websites” at SES New York. It’s a presentation that took me the better part of a decade to put together. The presentation had received rave reviews as a keynote speech at SES London, including this tweet from @Liz_Gray: “#seskey Unbelievable keynote this morning from @thegrok! Action-oriented, clear and concise. Everyone with a website – test something today.”
I first delivered this presentation in December 2009 at SES Chicago and then recorded it in January as a Webinar for my conversion optimization students. This is where my friend was “influenced” by my presentation. No other copies of these slides were shared anywhere.
I have shared presentations in the past, but since I am now focused on being a professional marketing speaker, these slides are a good part of my livelihood, and my paying clients don’t want them shared all over the Internet. So when I reviewed this person’s newest Webinar presentation, it was a shock to find that “his” slide titles and content, including many of the images, were essentially the same as mine. That’s when I tweeted the question.
The tweet led to quite a firestorm on Twitter and Facebook as people responded. My friend RSS Ray, a.k.a., Brian Offenberger, who had committed this act, was inundated with e-mails and comments on Facebook. You can read some of the discussions on Facebook here. Two of my MarketMotive students who really studied my presentation shared these comments on Twitter:
Gene Gerwin wrote: “Judging from the slides, it’s such a direct lift that I wonder if mere attribution would have been sufficient…”
And Noran El-Shinnawy wrote: “Hey, @rssray here’s my comment on your blog since you won’t approve it (@TheGrok ) http://tweetphoto.com/12949589.” In a follow up tweet, Noran added: “INCREDIBLY UNPROFESSIONAL: @rssray rips off @TheGrok ‘s 21 Secrets presentation and passes it off as his own http://ow.ly/1cOgi.”
The next morning, Brian pulled the slides he shared from his Web site, posted an apology on his blog, and explained how items from my presentation unintentionally ended up in his. We subsequently spoke on the phone.
I asked him to share with me a list of what he learned from the experience. “I had the importance of checking and re-checking work re-taught to me in the most painful of ways,” Brian wrote.
The Future of Sharing
Some people suggested I sue for damages. I’m not an attorney, but from past legal advice I know that you cannot collect damages for material that is yours unless you have filed for the copyright with the Library of Congress. You can have them remove the duplication just by placing the copyright notice on your material and you can prove it was yours first.
These two situations have left me with more questions than answers:
- Do I feel comfortable sharing my slides any more? I have shared many presentations in the past. Do you?
- How do we prevent ourselves from being overly influenced by others?
- Let’s say someone shares a presentation online through sites like SlideShare and copies a slide or two from others. During the presentation, the speaker gives verbal attribution to the original source of information, but written attribution is not placed on the slide. Is that ok?
- What would you do if you were accused of “copying” someone’s slides? I think Brian handled it as well as anyone.
- How will copyright laws evolve with the times?
- How would you have handled this situation?

Great post Bryan!
It got me thinking from two different angles:
- Thought leader, influencer, intellectual property and copyrights owner: we write books, do presentations, create new concepts (for me, WASP and WAMM) and teach specifically because we want people to learn from us and quickly leverage what took us years to find, uncover or realize. It should not be a surprise if some people grab our best ideas and "apply" them in their own work or presentations. However, there's the legal concept of "fair use" in copyright laws – providing credit, using a fraction of the original work, etc. Blatantly copying whole presentations is unprofessional, unethical and illegal. While teaching one of the course I found out a student had copied most of the content of her assignment from 3 articles I easily found on the Web – without credit, and anyway, it was clear copy & paste. Her defense? She didn't know it was not ok to do that! Could you believe she studied as a rocket scientist in a eastern country! That's not really reassuring…
- Learning from thought leaders and influencer: Jim Sterne, Avinash and yourself are often (rightly so!) cited as industry experts in my lectures and presentations. I have simple rules:
1) ask the original author if it's ok to use the content if it's not already publicly available from the author. Even when already public, it's always "fair" to let the original author know about it!
2) always provide due credit in the lectures material or clearly add it to the presentation slides
3) avoid re-drawing a graph, chart, table and include any textual reference in quotes
I heard several consulting agencies and practitioners are using my work on the Web Analytics Maturity Model. Some of them let me know and provide constructive feedback (what I consider to be my fair retribution for now). I'm sure some of those I don't hear about simply grabbed and rebranded it for their own benefit… Several people asked if I was afraid of getting my intellectual property stolen – for sure I am!
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery
Copyright infringement is the utmost form of unprofessionalism…
Stéphane Hamel
http://immeria.net
.-= Stephane Hamel´s last blog ..Web Analytics Association: my take as a Director =-.
Bryan,
Over a SocialMediaExaminer.com we deal with people ripping off our work ALMOST every day.
It is sick.
In our case, people copy our entire post into their blog and then simply put one little line at the bottom saying it came from us.
In some situations, we have had people actively promote our work on their site AND get pickup from high profile individuals.
We always demand immediate removal and in some cases publicly call out people.
Marketers know better and it is sad that they are doing what they know is wrong for a quick traffic spike.
Mike
http://www.socialmediaexaminer.com
.-= Michael Stelzner´s last blog ..Social Media Funnies: Bikers Get LinkedIn =-.
Bryan a couple of questions.
Do you think because of the way you outed your transgressor you have earned more recognition?
Is this, or should it be, the way all people in your position as an authority will react in future?
I think it can only become easier to catch-em and roast-em.
As a leading authority in your field, you needn't worry about anyone getting away with passing your ideas off as their own. If you hadn't sussed out this particular instance, someone else would have eventually.
With this outing, you have "kicked the chicken to scare the dog"- or some such variant of an Iraqi phrase. Others will think twice before plagiarizing your materials.
.-= Gene Gerwin´s last blog ..Split Testing with Split Test Accelerator =-.
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Nice post Brian! I find that with the increase usage of sources on the web, plagiarism has reached a high. I do not think people are aware of how illegal it is to use other peoples ideas and words.
Nice post Brian! I find that with the increase usage of sources on the web, plagiarism has reached a high. I do not think people are aware of how illegal it is to use other peoples ideas and words.
.-= Lina Marie Kustantin´s last blog ..Winter… please go away! =-.
You can't collect statutory damages (automatic damages award instead of proving actual damages). You can still sue and collect if you can prove you've sustained economic harm.
But, as a former attorney turned content-based entrepreneur who has been ripped off more times than I can count, I'd say let it go and move forward. Everyone in this industry who knows anything knows how much of a thought leader you are.
.-= Brian Clark´s last blog ..The Secret Ingredient to an Irresistible Blog =-.
Its such a fine line of sharing and teaching and exposing your content to be ripped off. I think you handled it professionally and your associate did what he could and make a pubic apology.
.-= Round Rock Plumber´s last blog ..Round Rock Plumber Call 551-0789 =-.
I'm sorry, but I disagree with those that think this is a good post. What I see is bitching, moaning and complaining, and drama.
Ideas get ripped off on the internet- Gee, you don't need a degree from Market Motive to figure this out.
I started reading your blog because I wanted to learn more about landing page optimization. As stated earlier, your reputation speaks for itself. Paranoia- which this certainly is – is a turn-off. Those that think this is a good post need to quit kissing ass and learn to think for yourself.
Do you think Avinash has ever made a post like this?
Ouch! I think M.Callis is totally mixing up the concept of “fair use” and inspiration vs reusing a whole presentation, changing the brand and presenting it as his own. This is plagiarism – in school you get a grade of 0 or even get thrown out of the program. In business – M.Callis – I would fire you.
.-= S.Hamel´s last blog ..eMetrics Toronto is coming up! April 6-9 =-.
Hi Bryan – great article (and definitely not just “bitching, moaning and complaining, and drama”, as Dwayne Callis thinks). You’ve raised some very important questions.
My experience: I recently discovered, thanks to copyscape.com, that a marketing guy in India had plagiarized (i.e. stolen) huge chunks of text verbatim from my website, and used it in a slide presentation on slideshare.net to market his own services. That is NOT OK.
Ironically, the guy was a subscriber to my e-newsletter – when he first subscribed, he e-mailed me to say: ““I just came across about you when i was searching some articles for presentations… I found your website is very useful.” Yeah, right! I deleted him immediately from my subscriber list, and also contacted him to tell him to “cease and desist” but got no response. Eventually, after some very slow and frustrating “customer service” from slideshare.net, the admin people there deleted the guy’s slide presentation from the site.
Really admire that your article – Its such a fine line of sharing and teaching and exposing your content to be ripped off. I think you handled it professionally and your associate did what he could and make a pubic apology.